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Feb. 27th, 2001 10:10 pm
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what would happen if one put just developer on one's hair, say 40 volume?

would it bleach?
or just damage?

what I know is....

Date: 2001-02-27 10:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mfree.livejournal.com
All I know about hair dye is...

When i bought the dodge, under the rear trunk floor cover, in the spare tire bay, and all over the place was a burst-open hair dye kit, a fairly upscale brown kit.

It had eaten the paint off everything down to primer.

mighty strong stuff

Re: what I know is....

Date: 2001-02-27 10:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eris.livejournal.com
LOL
maybe i should steal your M and mix it with the developer and see what happens

hmm

Date: 2001-02-27 11:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] heath.livejournal.com
I'm pretty sure that the developer is just a chemical reactant that goes along with the bleach and the activator. It would probably just end up not doing anything other than drying your hair out.

Date: 2001-02-28 12:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wulfric.livejournal.com
Burn,Baby,Burn..

Date: 2001-02-28 12:05 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] sola.livejournal.com
It will be lightened some, but it'll be damaged more. Not reccomended. I suggest using Effasol instead of actual bleach if your virgin hair isn't too difficult to lift.. it does the same job as bleach, but is less damaging. (it's a product meant to lift old color, but it'll also pull out natural color.)

Date: 2001-02-28 01:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eris.livejournal.com
oh definatly not virgin hair, i just have developer left and no powder and i just kept looking at the bottle and wondering

IDIOT.

Date: 2001-02-28 04:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] starjunkie.livejournal.com
sorry but your an idiot effesol is made for removing dye and will eat your hair of in a matter of minutes.
putting effesol on your hair is like asking for a death wish and for all of your hair to break off an inch from the root.

putting just peroxside on your will do nothing. esesially cream peroxcide, which is the only kind you should use.

when trying to get brassy tones out of hair it is recomended to make a shapoo/peroxcide mixture, about 2 parts shampoo to one part peroxcide, to help remove the brassy tones while washing your hair. also to help thing like clorine from staining your hair.. but only if its blonde.

Re: IDIOT.

Date: 2001-02-28 05:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] sola.livejournal.com
Well, we're very blunt, aren't we.

I used Effasol last night on a friend's hair, to remove several layers of dye and lighten the roots befre dying a very bright red. (a mix of SXF Ruby Red and Nuclear Red.) As a test, we bleached some strips, and used Effasol on the rest of her hair, box mixed with the same 20vol creme deleoper. The bleached strips were pretty damaged, an came up bright orange. The Effasol-covered portions, by comparison, were -much- less damaged, and came up a lvery light reddish-auburn on the ends, where it has been dyed several layers of drugstore red and then black. The dye also took better on the Effasol-d portions.

I'm sorry you've has such poor experience with Effasol, but my own has been quite positive. We also appear ot have quite differnt opinions on the effects of delveloper, but i would still not reccomend using it on the hair without something else to mix it with. (I think we've all had the out-of-bleach, full bottle of Pure White "developer moment.")


For the record: I don't appreciate being called an idiot, and if you have a like opinion of my intelligence in the future, please find a more polite or private way to express it. There really isn't any need for this sort of behavior in someone else's journal comments, and i will neither condone it nor participate in it any further.

Re: IDIOT.

Date: 2001-02-28 06:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] starjunkie.livejournal.com
you obviously have not had the hair dying experiance i and the multitude of stylists i have as friends have had.
plus the fact that using a 20 volume developer does no good at all. 20 volume is for dying hair dark colors that need no lift. 30 is for red or light bleaching. and 40 is what you should use with any bleach or effesol. loreal has no idea in most instanses wtf they are doing. feria is the only decent loreal product, and the crap you buy in a regular store is shity as well.

go to any beauty supply store that knows thier stuff and ask them about the effects of effesol, then go to a salon and ask them.
unless your hair is in superb condition, which eris's is not, nor is mine, or any one else that dyes their hair on a regular basis, effesol is a terrible solution to any hair problem.

personal note: i dont know you and i could give a bigger fuck if you where offended by my "calling" you an idiot. and on the same note, you dont know me, so why should what i have to say matter to you aye? i just tend to know what i am talking about in these matters, since ive had years of experiance doing it, plus years of profesional guidance, and some formal education.

id just love to see what your friends hair would look like if you had put anything beside pigment dyes over the bleach and effesol. bye bye hair.

Re: IDIOT.

Date: 2001-02-28 07:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] sola.livejournal.com
We seem to have had aproximately the same amount of experience in this subject. However, since you have demonstrasted your refusal to discuss our different opinions in any sort of civilized manner, or even an engaging rude manner, i see no need to carry this thread any further. Good luck and good day.

Re: IDIOT.

Date: 2001-02-28 07:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] starjunkie.livejournal.com
all i have to say is go ask some profesionals. see what they have to say about it.

oh, forget it ...

Date: 2001-02-28 08:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] btripp.livejournal.com
{insert your own lame darkroom geek "developer" joke here}


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Date: 2001-03-01 04:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-oki86.livejournal.com
CRAZINESS!

I have no idea about hair dyes and bleaches and stuff... but I want blue hair!

I'm glad I have you to do it for me eris! =>

Can't wait til next month! =>

Re: IDIOT

Date: 2007-06-02 08:49 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Well, since these messages seem to live on for eternity, I would just like to add my own "expert" opinion in an effort to spare any hair bleaching newbies from making a painful mistake.

Lesson #1: Be skeptical of any advice you read on the internet -- including mine. But, especially, including Starjunkie's. Specifically,

"...using a 20 volume developer does no good at all. 20 volume is for dying [er, that's dyeing] hair dark colors that need no lift. 30 is for red or light bleaching. and 40 is what you should use with any bleach or effesol [correction: Effasol]..."

is a crock of *&@%. The general rule of thumb is, for lifting AND coloring with permanent color, 20 volume is for one shade of lift, 30 volume for 2 shades, 40 volume for 3 shades, and double 40 volume for 4 shades. These are only generalities, however, as other variables such as amount of underlying pigment come into play as well.

But for bleaching, Starjunkie is out of her f---ing mind! Rarely if ever should one use 40 volume with bleach! If you have very dark/resistant hair, you are far better off doing 2 separate bleach applications with 30 volume. Even 30 volume is pushing it, since I assume we are talking about on-scalp bleaching here (not a lot of people can do foils on their own hair). You want to experience blisters on your scalp? Go ahead and load up on some 40 volume and bleach. Stupid, stupid, stupid!

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